Phase One H 5 Bedienungsanleitung

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Die Vorschriften verpflichten den Verkäufer zur Übertragung der Gebrauchsanleitung Phase One H 5 an den Erwerber, zusammen mit der Ware. Eine fehlende Anleitung oder falsche Informationen, die dem Verbraucher übertragen werden, bilden eine Grundlage für eine Reklamation aufgrund Unstimmigkeit des Geräts mit dem Vertrag. Rechtsmäßig lässt man das Anfügen einer Gebrauchsanleitung in anderer Form als Papierform zu, was letztens sehr oft genutzt wird, indem man eine grafische oder elektronische Anleitung von Phase One H 5, sowie Anleitungsvideos für Nutzer beifügt. Die Bedingung ist, dass ihre Form leserlich und verständlich ist.

Was ist eine Gebrauchsanleitung?

Das Wort kommt vom lateinischen „instructio”, d.h. ordnen. Demnach kann man in der Anleitung Phase One H 5 die Beschreibung der Etappen der Vorgehensweisen finden. Das Ziel der Anleitung ist die Belehrung, Vereinfachung des Starts, der Nutzung des Geräts oder auch der Ausführung bestimmter Tätigkeiten. Die Anleitung ist eine Sammlung von Informationen über ein Gegenstand/eine Dienstleistung, ein Hinweis.

Leider widmen nicht viele Nutzer ihre Zeit der Gebrauchsanleitung Phase One H 5. Eine gute Gebrauchsanleitung erlaubt nicht nur eine Reihe zusätzlicher Funktionen des gekauften Geräts kennenzulernen, sondern hilft dabei viele Fehler zu vermeiden.

Was sollte also eine ideale Gebrauchsanleitung beinhalten?

Die Gebrauchsanleitung Phase One H 5 sollte vor allem folgendes enthalten:
- Informationen über technische Daten des Geräts Phase One H 5
- Den Namen des Produzenten und das Produktionsjahr des Geräts Phase One H 5
- Grundsätze der Bedienung, Regulierung und Wartung des Geräts Phase One H 5
- Sicherheitszeichen und Zertifikate, die die Übereinstimmung mit entsprechenden Normen bestätigen

Warum lesen wir keine Gebrauchsanleitungen?

Der Grund dafür ist die fehlende Zeit und die Sicherheit, was die bestimmten Funktionen der gekauften Geräte angeht. Leider ist das Anschließen und Starten von Phase One H 5 zu wenig. Eine Anleitung beinhaltet eine Reihe von Hinweisen bezüglich bestimmter Funktionen, Sicherheitsgrundsätze, Wartungsarten (sogar das, welche Mittel man benutzen sollte), eventueller Fehler von Phase One H 5 und Lösungsarten für Probleme, die während der Nutzung auftreten könnten. Immerhin kann man in der Gebrauchsanleitung die Kontaktnummer zum Service Phase One finden, wenn die vorgeschlagenen Lösungen nicht wirksam sind. Aktuell erfreuen sich Anleitungen in Form von interessanten Animationen oder Videoanleitungen an Popularität, die den Nutzer besser ansprechen als eine Broschüre. Diese Art von Anleitung gibt garantiert, dass der Nutzer sich das ganze Video anschaut, ohne die spezifizierten und komplizierten technischen Beschreibungen von Phase One H 5 zu überspringen, wie es bei der Papierform passiert.

Warum sollte man Gebrauchsanleitungen lesen?

In der Gebrauchsanleitung finden wir vor allem die Antwort über den Bau sowie die Möglichkeiten des Geräts Phase One H 5, über die Nutzung bestimmter Accessoires und eine Reihe von Informationen, die erlauben, jegliche Funktionen und Bequemlichkeiten zu nutzen.

Nach dem gelungenen Kauf des Geräts, sollte man einige Zeit für das Kennenlernen jedes Teils der Anleitung von Phase One H 5 widmen. Aktuell sind sie genau vorbereitet oder übersetzt, damit sie nicht nur verständlich für die Nutzer sind, aber auch ihre grundliegende Hilfs-Informations-Funktion erfüllen.

Inhaltsverzeichnis der Gebrauchsanleitungen

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    Phase One A/S Roskildevej 39 DK-2000 Frederiksberg Denmark T el +45 36 46 01 11 Fax +45 36 46 02 22 Phase One U.S. 24 W oodbine A ve Northpor t, New Y ork 11768 USA T el +1 631-757-0400 Fax +1 631-757-2217 Phase One H 5 User Guide Edition Februar y 2002[...]

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    Content 1 Macintosh Getting Started 1.1 Hardware Set-up 1.2 Photographic Equipment Set-up 1.3 Other Photo Equipment 1.7 LED Indicators Light 1.7 2 Install the Software 2.1 Using the Phase One H 5 2.3 3 Software Set-up 3.1 T aking Photographs 3.1 Selecting Landscape or Portrait Orientation 3.1 Organizing Images 3.1 Preview Generation 3.3 4 Editing a[...]

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    12 Software Setup 12.1 T aking Photographs 12.1 Selecting Landscape or Portrait Orientation 12.1 Organizing Images 12.1 Naming Sessions 12.2 13 Editing and Selecting Images 13.1 Capture Collection 13.1 Preview Window 13.1 Function Window/Function T abs 13.2 Editing 13.2 Deleting Images 13.2 Previewing 13.3 Function T abs and Window 13.4 Gray Balanc[...]

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    15 Camera Info 15.1 16 Additional Features 16.1 Eyedropper 16.1 17 T r ouble Shooting 17.1 18 Strobe Equipment 18.1 Strobe Equipment Compatibility 18.1 19 Photographic Compatibility 19.1 T able of Contents iiiii T able of Contents[...]

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    1 Macintosh Getting Star ted The Phase One H 5 has been designed for ease of installation and use. There are just a few easy steps to follow , from unpacking the Phase One H 5 to developing the first shot. - Connect hardware, install software - Launch the Capture One application - Determine the exposure and shoot - Select images to develop from Cap[...]

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    Hardware Set-up The Phase One H 5 connects to the computer via an IEEE 1394 connec- tion. This new , extremely fast connection does not have many of the limi- tations of the SCSI technology used in previous digital cameras. Many of the problems related to SCSI such as setting ID numbers, termination, and not being able to “hot-plug” (having to [...]

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    6) If flash is used, connect the Flash Sync Cable (not included) from the strobes to the connector on the right side of the camera back, marked “F”. 7) Finally , connect one end of the included IEEE 1394 cable to any one of the empty ports on the newly installed card, or the built-in port. Connect the other end to the back of the Phase One H 5.[...]

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    LED Indicators Lights On the back of the Phase One H 5 are two sets of LED indicator lights. A red and green light on the left and a red and green light on the right. The left and right pairs are identical and should always display the same thing. These lights indicate the camera back status. The list below describes what the status lights indicate[...]

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    2 Install the Software After the computer is restarted, the software that will control the IEEE 1394 card must be installed, as well as the software for the Phase One H 5. W e have included one easy-to-use installer that will place all of the necessar y software on the computer . Follow these steps to install the software. 1) Place the included CD-[...]

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    Using the Phase One H 5 Phase One has made using the Phase One H 5 as close to using film as digital photography can be. The first step to using the Phase One H 5 is to start the application. Double-click the folder called “Capture One Application” on the hard drive and then double-click the “Capture One” icon. This will start the program t[...]

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    3 Software Set-up At this point it may be a good idea to set up Photoshop and the system for Color Management. A brief guide to Color Management and Profiles is provided in the T ools and Preferences sections of this manual. T aking Photographs The camera back is designed for ease of use and high perfor mance. First time digital photographers, as w[...]

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    Preview Generation Preview generation is time consuming for the computer . Viewing previews after a session allows the computer to work faster . Enter the Camera Menu and select Generate Previews to uncheck it (hide the check mark). T o enable preview generation select Generate Previews again and the check mark becomes visible. T o generate the mis[...]

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    4 Editing and Selecting Images Editing After taking photographs, the next step in the process is to choose which images to keep and develop. Select “Capture Collection” from the “Window” menu at the top of the screen. (“Command-2”). The Capture Collection is similar to a contact sheet. It displays thumbnail images of all of the photos t[...]

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    The Preview Window in detail The Preview Window is divided into several sections to help evaluate and control the development of images. The file name of the current preview is shown at the top of the Preview Window for easy reference. On the right of the window , at the top, is a row of buttons used to access the tools that control the image. Thes[...]

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    Color Info One of the most important displays of the Preview Window is the “Color Info” window . This panel shows the individual R ed, G reen and B lue channel information. With film photography the evaluation of final exposure and development levels is a manual, and often subjective, process. With digital photography accurate evaluation is mad[...]

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    Apply to Image When selected, the chosen gray balance will be applied to the current image and all subsequent images, until a new gray balance is set. Current Capture This only changes the gray balance of the current capture. All subsequent captures retain the gray balance set under Apply to Image. All Selected Captures Include a gray card in the f[...]

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    Then adjust the brightness, contrast and color . Finally the image is developed by clicking on the Develop button. On average it should take between 40 seconds and 1.5 minutes to develop an image. Development speed is entirely dependent on speed of the computer . There are two ways to develop images. Method one: Individual control of each image Ope[...]

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    The dialogue box provides you with the following options: File Format Choose the file format you prefer to work with - TIFF , JPEG, BMP , PICT etc. If JPEG is selected then please define the level of compression in the Quality field. 'Maximum' compression provides you with the smallest file and the fewest image details and vice versa. Edi[...]

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    Image Size In the Image Size field allows image resizing in percentages or pixels. 50% is the default size/resolution of a preview . The 'Apply Sharpening' box enables/disables the sharpening settings from the Capture One Software or from third party applications. The 'Use image crop' box is checked if you only wish to export th[...]

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    5 T ools Many of the tools in the Phase One application act in much the same way as the tools of popular image editing applications such as Adobe Photoshop. Many of these tools actually come from the traditional world; the cropping tool is the first example of this, mimicking the cropping “L ’ s” used by artists and photographers. Cropping Se[...]

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    Zoom T ool Select the Zoom tool and click on the preview image to zoom in. Use option-click (Alt key) to zoom out. Remember , the preview image is only a low-resolution image and will quickly pixilated when enlarged. Grid T ool T wo different grids can be used to help align and measure the objects in images. Click the Grid tool to turn the grid “[...]

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    Further control of the tonal range is possible by unchecking the ”Preser ve Color Balance” box. Each color channel can then be adjusted individually . A particular color is defined for the lightest, or darkest, part of the image by checking the ”T arget Colors” box. This reveals a sliding scale and two color selection buttons. A single clic[...]

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    Unsharp Mask The name “unsharp mask” (USM) can be misleading. Using this tool actually gives an apparent increase in image sharpness by enhancing the edge differences between pixels of different colors. When applied to an image, the software evaluates the contrast differences between pixels and either enhances the difference or not, based on yo[...]

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    Camera Settings The Camera Settings control is used to set the orientation of the image, if this is not set automatically . Capture Navigator Click on the “Capture Navigator” button to bring up the “Capture Navigator” palette. The capture collection can be quickly previewed by using the next, previous, first or last image buttons. Use the ?[...]

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    6 Preferences Under the “File” menu is an option called “Preferences”. Select an option from the left-hand side of the window and then set preferences on the right. It is also possible to change the appearance of the user interface. Develop File The Develop File Section controls the naming, file location and other attribution settings. Name[...]

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    “3-digit unique suffix number” Changes the naming from “capture name2” to “capture name002.” This is useful when developing a series of images that must stay in sequence (36 images for a QuickT ime VR object movie, for instance). When the images are named “001”, “002”, “003”, etc, the Mac will display them in the correct ord[...]

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    The software installs basic profiles for the Phase One H 5 camera as well as a generic monitor profile (e.g. T rinitron 1.8) and some RGB color space profiles. A brief guide to preference settings is provided here: Use System Profile for monitor – check to select the system monitor profile, or un-check to specify a monitor profile. Camera – sel[...]

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    Setting up ICC profiles in Adobe Photoshop 6.0 The Capture One Software set up the recommended color Set-up for Adobe photoshop 6.0 automatically . However , if the automatic set-up does not work then install the color setting file called PhaseOne PS60 Defaults.csf. This color settings file is found on the enclosed CD-ROM under Capture One Basic In[...]

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    7 Camera Information The Phase One H 5 has an “info” function that displays important information about the Phase One H 5. This information can be invaluable in troubleshooting problems. If you ever need to contact technical support, be sure to have this infor mation available. T o access this data choose “Info...” from the “Camera” men[...]

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    8 Additional Features Demoirize plug-in The Phase One Demoirize plug-in for Adobe Photoshop allows the removal of moiré patterns from images by means of three different filtering modes: Advanced, Unicolor T extiles and Skin and Hair . The plug-in is enclosed on the CD-ROM and will be placed in Adobe Photoshop’ s plug-ins folder when installing C[...]

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    Using advanced mode on skin and hair For skin and hair surfaces the optimal settings for the advanced filter would be to position the Quality/Speed slider at Speed and the Pattern Size slider ver y close to Small. Please note that large color moiré areas in hair may require a larger pattern size setting. Using advanced mode on textiles On textile [...]

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    9 T r ouble Shooting If technical problems are experienced when working with the Phase One H 5 it may be necessar y to contact Phase One’ s T echnical Suppor t department. Phase One recommends that you do a screen dump of your system configuration. This can be done in the menu Camera - Info, then press Apple-Shift-3 to generate a screen dump of t[...]

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    10 Windows Getting Star ted The Phase One H 5 has been designed for ease of installation and use. There are just a few easy steps to follow , from unpacking the Phase One H 5 to developing the first shot. - Connect hardware, install software - Launch the Capture One application - Determine the exposure and shoot - Select images to develop from the [...]

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    Photographic Equipment Set-up In addition to setting up the computer , the camera must be prepared to work with the Phase One H 5. This involves a few simple steps: 1) A Ground Glass Mask is included. This must be installed in the viewfinder to ensure correct framing. Remove the camera viewfinder and focusing screen (refer to the camera users manua[...]

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    Cable Connections for the Mamiya RZ67 Pro II 4) Connect the included Sync Cable from the lens’ flash sync to either the connector on the camera back marked “C” or the the Mamiya Mounting plate. 5) If using a motorised camera, connect the included Motor Cable to the connector on the right side of the camera back marked “M”. 6) If flash is [...]

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    LED Indicators Lights On the back of the Phase One H 5 are two sets of LED indicator lights. A red and green light on the left and a red and green light on the right. The left and right pairs are identical and should always display the same thing. These lights indicate the camera back status. The list below describes what the status lights indicate[...]

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    11 Install the Software After the computer is restarted, the software that will control the IEEE 1394 card must be installed, as well as the software for the Phase One H 5. W e have included one easy-to-use installer that will place all of the necessar y software on the computer . Follow these steps to install the software. 1) Place the included CD[...]

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    Using the Phase One H 5 Phase One has made using the Phase One H 5 as close to using film as digital photography can be. The first step to using the camera back is to start the application. Double-click the Capture One shor t-cut. Double-click the application icon to start the application that controls the camera back. After a few seconds the softw[...]

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    12 Software Set-up At this point it may be a good idea to set up Photoshop and the system for Color Management. A brief guide to Color Management and Profiles is provided in the T ools or Preferences section of this manual. T aking Photographs The Phase One H 5 is designed for ease of use and high perfor mance. First time digital photographers, as [...]

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    All developed capture files are stored in a sub folder called Develops (C:Program FilesCapture One BasicScubaDevelops), which is automatically created by checking the box Develop capture in the Session Creator dialogue box. The capture folder thus created is automatically set as the current capture folder and capture files are named according t[...]

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    13 Editing and Selecting Images The Phase One software main window is divided into three sections that make it functional and easy to use. The sections are: Capture Collection The Capture Collection is located on the left side of the interface screen and will show a small thumbnail of the images in the currently selected capture director y . The si[...]

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    Once the trash has been emptied the images are gone for good, so be careful! Images can be instantly and permanently deleted by selecting them and then pressing “Control-Delete” on the keyboard; be careful when using this feature! Once an image is deleted it is gone forever . Previewing While the Capture Collection is a good place to evaluate i[...]

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    Conversely , if the image is a dark subject (or is underexposed) then the data will all be to the left side of the graph. A well exposed image of a “normal” scene will have most of the graph data spiked in the middle with some highlight and shadow pixels to the right and left. The Exposure area also has a powerful feature that can war n of over[...]

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    Unlike many other digital camera systems Phase One has made the Gray Balance feature of the application easy to use. Simply follow these steps: 1) Open the image to be processed in the Preview Window . 2) Choose the “Gray Balance” tab. 3) Click the pointer on an area of the image that should be neutral gray . If there is nothing in the scene th[...]

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    Exposure T ab One of the most important displays of the Exposure T ab Window is the “Color Info” window . This display shows the individual R ed, G reen and B lue channel information. With film photography the evaluation of final exposure and development levels is a manual, and often subjective, process. With digital photography accurate evalua[...]

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    Curves The next window in the Exposure tab is the Cur ves control, again this is a standard Cur ves control that may look familiar to those of other imaging programs. The Cur ves control is extremely powerful and can be used to control ever y tone in the image. An imaging cur ve is a graph that represents the original data along the bottom and the [...]

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    The orientation frame can be hidden automatically after a few seconds. Check the box “Hide focus orientation frame automatically” under the Other Settings tab in the Preferences dialogue box. Focus Preview T o evaluate the focus of an image simply click on the area of the image (in the main Preview Window) and the Phase One H 5 software will zo[...]

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    Sharpening Also found under the Focus T ab is a preview of the Unsharp mask settings (also discussed later in this user guide). Experiment with different values to determine the correct setting for each image. Control the Amount (based on percentage values) from 0% up to 400% and the Threshold (the cut-off point where the sharpening will stop or st[...]

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    Search via annotations The 'Capture Annotations' dialogue box also has search capabilities, which enable you to locate a specific capture file via its name or annotations. Key in search words in the Find field and click enter . The Find function will then locate all capture files matching the search. Once located, the capture file/files a[...]

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    This way you will always be able to identify your developed TIFF file later on in the process. Automatic Preview Enhancement The automatic preview enhancement guarantees that image previews are generated in a high quality in order to ensure an optimum image evaluation on the monitor . It takes a while for the Capture One Software to generate these [...]

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    A row of buttons in the Batch Editor section control when images will be developed. The buttons are: Develop Image When clicked the currently selected image will be developed immediately using the current settings. Add Image to Batch The application can develop a group of images in a batch mode. This allows the photographer to queue several images [...]

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    Editing and Selecting Images Editing and Selecting Images Browse Develop Folder Clicking on this button will open the currently selected develop folder . At the bottom of the Develop tab is a status bar that shows a development progress bar and the percentage of the image that has been developed and the approximate time left to develop the image. A[...]

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    Editing and Selecting Images 13.24 Editing and Selecting Images Destination folder The Destination Folder is where you organize the workflow . Y ou choose your own destination folder . If no destination folder is selected then a default folder called 'Exported Previews' is created inside the capture collection folder . Name postfix In thi[...]

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    14 T ools Many of the tools in the Phase One application act in much the same way as the tools of popular image editing applications such as Adobe Photoshop. Many of these tools actually come from the traditional world; the cropping tool is the first example of this, mimicking the cropping “L ’ s” used by artists and photographers. Where tool[...]

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    In general, if the exposure warning is shown over a large area of the selected image, it indicates that the exposure level may need to be adjusted. Highlight areas are more critical than the shadows. Preser ve highlight detail by not allowing values greater than 240. Gray Scale Viewing The preview is shown in grayscale. This does not affect the dev[...]

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    T o use Color Management effectively , the profiles of the camera, monitor and destination must be defined. If all three devices are not correctly specified there is a risk that the final image will not correspond to the captured image. The Capture One Software installs basic profiles for Phase One H 5 as well as a generic monitor profile (Phase On[...]

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    Unsharp Mask The name “unsharp mask” (USM) can be misleading. Using this tool actually gives an apparent increase in image sharpness by enhancing the edge differences between pixels of different colors. When applied, the software evaluates the contrast differences between pixels and either enhances the difference or not, based on setting made i[...]

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    15 Camera Info The Phase One H 5 has an “info” function that displays important information about the connected camera back. This information can be invaluable in troubleshooting problems. If you ever need to contact technical support, be sure to have this infor mation available. T o access this data choose “About” from the “Help” menu.[...]

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    16 Additional Features Demoirize Plug-in The Phase One Demoirize plug-in for Adobe Photoshop allows you to remove moiré patterns from your images by means of three different filtering modes: Advanced, Unicolor textiles as well as Skin and Hair . The Demoirize plug-in window is divided into two separate previews: Original Image, which displays the [...]

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    Using advanced mode on textiles On textile the optimal settings for the advanced filter would be to position the Quality/Speed slider towards Speed, or in an intermediate position. Then move the Pattern Size slider to the smallest possible setting. In many cases the masking of unicolored, or nearly unicolored areas, may be carried out less accurate[...]

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    17 T r ouble Shooting If technical problems are experienced when working with the Capture One Software it may be neccessar y to contact Phase One’ s T echnical Support depar tment. Phase One recommends that you do a screen dump of your system configuration. This can be done in the menu Help/About, then press Print Screen to generate a screen dump[...]

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    18 Str obe Equipment Strobe Equipment Compatibility Phase One’ s single shot digital imaging systems support photographic strobe equipment that is regulated by the ISO standard 10330. However , since some strobe equipment does not comply with this standard, Phase One has expanded the LightPhase /Phase One H 20 tolerances past those of the ISO sta[...]

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    Comet PMT -1200 + Comet CT -08 + Comet ILS-800D + Hensel Nova + Hensel Linea + Hensel Logica + Hensel 500 + Hensel 1000 + Lumidyne V oltage Regulator + LP A Design L VT Trigger + Metz 60ct-4 Handheld + MultiBlitz V arilux + MultiBlitz Compact 300 + Norman P40/40 + Norman P24/24 + Norman P800D + Norman P404 + Norman 808 + Norman Monolite + Norman P2[...]

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    Speedotron 2405cx Pack - Speedotron Black Line - Speedotron Braun Line - StudioMax PG 4001ML + StudioMax PG 3001MLB + White Lightning 5000 (old) + White Lightning 10000 + White Lightning Ultra 600 (old) + White Lightning Ultra 1200 (old) + White Lightning Ultra 1800 (old) + White Lightning Ultra Zap 800 + White Lightning Ultra Zap 1600 + White Ligh[...]

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    19 Photographic Compatibility Phase One H 5 supports various camera bodies and lenses. The below table shows the photographic equipment that Phase One recommends (+) or does not recommend (-) you use together with the Phase One H 5 for Hasselblad and Mamiya RZ67 Pro II (the latter requires an adaptor), Phase One H 5 for Mamiya 645AF and Phase One H[...]

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    Lenses 500mm f/6 APO + 2 C-lenses + CB-lenses + CF-lenses + CF A-lenses + CFi-lenses + Distagon CF30 + 2 Distagon CF40 + 2 FE-lenses - T ele-Apotessar CF500 + 2 V ariogon 140-280 + 2 Lenses via Adaptors Mamiya RB + 6 Fuji GX680 + 6 Nikon 35mm + 6 Pentax 35mm + 6 Nikon 35mm + 6 Olympus 35mm + 6 Canon 35mm + 6 Minolta 35mm + 6 CONT AX 35mm + 6 Sinar [...]

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    Notes: 1. W orks in "two-shot mode": Release shutter once to wake up the Phase One H 5 prior to capture 2. Does not work with FE lenses - works with C, CB, CF , CF A, CFi lenses 3. Requires special cable to enable capture from host computer 4. Press Capture button on host computer prior to release button on camera body 5. Camera must be o[...]

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    Part No: 8001700[...]